Talk:Lupa the Longtail/@comment-6583760-20130416041348/@comment-7011711-20130416094756

nope, not 13k. that'd require 3-5 to have around 10.5k atk/def. unlikely tbh. more likely around 12.7 or 12.8 as is with balder. 8-15 would be close to balder as well